Case Studies
If you want to get superior results, and do not want to spend time with traditional therapy, counselling, or “outside-in” performance coaching, we may have what you are looking for. A forward thinking program that will supercharge your life by enhancing your emotional state, amplifying the results you can create for yourself, your family, and your business – in only 10 sessions.
You can expect this program to give you the ability to think better and have a clearer mind. It will allow you to be happier, feel more at peace, be more confident, communicate better, have better relationships at home and at work, improve your negotiating skills and increase your performance. We are the only company we know of with over 5 hours worth of video testimonials given to us by medical doctors, CEOs, entrepreneurs, moms and dads, and other successful individuals, willing to endorse our program – so openly.
What is it worth to you to quickly improve all those areas of your life, simultaneously? Watch the videos if you want to see what this program makes possible, and if this is something you want for yourself, go to the blue tab and book your initial consultation today.
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“At the age of 27 I was stopped in my tracks by severe anxiety and depression… And that had continued off and on for the ensuing years… I had tried various kinds of therapies, trainings, retreats, medications, and various things help to some extent but in the end, I was pretty much left with the same problems…
ThroughConversation has impacted every little part of my life. I was hoping for some contentment and really, I have a lot of happiness. And I don’t know any other place I could have got this. It’s been far beyond my expectations and I’m very, very, happy with it.”
ThroughConversation has impacted every little part of my life. I was hoping for some contentment and really, I have a lot of happiness. And I don’t know any other place I could have got this. It’s been far beyond my expectations and I’m very, very, happy with it.”
– Harold, Medical Doctor – 39 years of severe Depression and Anxiety gone in 10 sessions
“It changed the way that I thought at the most root level. It changed the way that I behaved at the most root level. I can’t explain it, but it’s just, it changed me, and it changed the way that I see the world, that I see people, that I see situations, and it really took me from living an average life, to living an extraordinary life.”
– Rahim, CEO – Performance / Relationships
“I would say for someone that’s a CEO or even any kind of leadership role, you are the foundation and the person that dictates how the culture of a company works and where that company goes, and how it grows, and how it gets there, and you are the permeating factor of how things are going to go. So it is life changing is how your business will change because people in your company will change because you change, everything will change because you change, because you start to see things differently, you start to manage people differently, you start to operate things differently, you see things differently, you’re more consciously aware so you’re able to foresee problems that are going to come up arising because there’s a clarity that you never had before. Everything is just so much better, it changes your game, completely changes your game.
-Shanelle, President & CEO of a group of development and investment companies in Canada and the United States. – Performance training program
“I looked happy and people thought I was happy all the time but I wasn’t, and only I knew that. I wanted to get out of that circular downward spiral that has no end. I cried a lot, pretty regularly, and I couldn’t really understand what it was that I was doing wrong and how I couldn’t do it by myself. I couldn’t get out of this depression. I had no way of knowing where I was going and how I was going to fix things. Now, I’ve got a tool chest, an arsenal of skills, skill sets that I can use for the future and I know they won’t leave me. I can revisit my lessons and I know that I’m on the right track when I do what Jean-Paul has taught me to do, and it works, so it makes me happy.”
– Sue, was diagnosed with incurable cancer at session 8, still beat her 17 yr Depression
“What performance means is that not only are you performing well in your business, or you’re making income, or you’re doing really good at your job, but performance through the lens of ThroughConversation is performance in everything! It’s performance in your relationships, personal/business relationships. It’s basically operating at a level that you never thought you could reach, but you can. It’s performing in your personal life meaning you’re having work-life balance where you’re not just going to the office or going to your work and that’s it. You can do everything, and you can perform at a high level at everything.”
Bart, Entrepreneur – Performance Program
…from the very beginning we dove in deep to start it right away, the work, the process, and just opened me up and made me see clearly about my own self-limiting beliefs. Beliefs I have about other people, about the world, it’s been radical, it’s been gentle, it’s been intuitive, Jean-Paul’s teachings are brilliant and I can say that because as a yoga practitioner for almost twenty years and as a teacher for last fifteen years and just a seeker of teaching and meditation and traveling to be with different teachers, truly after all these years this is the most profound experience I’ve had and I’m so grateful for your teachings.
– Jody, International Yoga teacher – Emotional Freedom Retreat – Southern France
“Before I came here I was feeling really bad, really terrible, anxiety, couldn’t go to sleep, depressed, didn’t know what to do, I didn’t know where I was going to go, couldn’t make any decision. It was tough, it was tough. And then I decided to come here and it changed my life. ThroughConversation gave me the life that I wanted, I always dreamt about it, and it’s a free world for me now, I’m flying now, I’m flying out there, it has changed my life.
– Satvinder, Emotional Freedom Program, 54 years of Anxiety gone in 10 sessions
“Doing the program was definitely the best thing I ever did. I mean to sort of float through life and let life come at you and happen at you is, I think the way most people live, and that’s the way I was living. Through the program I’ve come to look at my life and the world around me completely different. It completely changes your perspective on life, yourself and the people in your life, the work you do or the business you do. It just changes that whole perspective so you see it in a very enlightened way, a very different way, and a very powerful way. It lets you see it in a way that enables you to take control of your life, rather than life controlling you. You take control of your relationships, you take control of your career or business. It’s that big of a change, and it’s that dramatic.”
– Eric, Home Builder – Emotional Freedom / Relationships / Performance
“For thirty years I’d been struggling with anxiety. I’d been working very hard to get someplace, and I couldn’t get there. Jean-Paul and the program made the difference and helped me get a dream back – being happy. I found a sense of self-acceptance and happiness I’ve never known. You can see it clearly in my smile. I’m eternally grateful, Jean-Paul, I thank you from the bottom of my heart.”
– Beverly, Business Executive – Anxiety for 50 years, working on it for 30 years, gone in only 10 sessions
“This program changed things for me, it really did. It pushed me to a level that I never thought I could go. This wasn’t some generic program, this is a program where we got to know each other and Jean-Paul really understood my issues and where I need to be pushed and he did that for me. And I think this is something that any senior level executive should really, really take a look at. If I was to present this to a board of senior executives, I would say just that, if you’ve gone to a certain level and you can’t go any higher this is something for you. This is something you need to look at because this can take you to that next level and that’s what Jean-Paul did for me, it, it really… I got more than I ever thought it would get out of it.”
– Robert, 40 under 40 CEO – Performance Program
“I came here expecting to find a way really to end somewhat amicably a thirty five year marriage, and now I’m not doing that. And I don’t have to tell my kids why, I don’t have to tell anybody why. People that we know are looking at us and saying “what kind of Kool-Aid are you two drinking”, and that’s a way better place to be than where I thought we were going to be.”
“[The program] did give me what I desired and it gave me more than that. It saved my marriage, kept us together, but at the same time it gave me some fantastic side benefits with relationships with family and friends and everybody in my life, as well as setting me up really well for the future.”
After 35 years, they wanted to give their Marriage and life the best chance possible.
“In all aspects of my life, it’s improved. Health, emotional, love, money, business. There’s not an aspect that it doesn’t seem to have touched.
The work is impacting my business, it’s brought back a creativity, and it’s brought back that desire to push forward, to invoke change, to not push the envelope, redesign the envelope and move forward. To look towards a brighter better future. And the results are there, I’m having more fun at work, I’m seeing more results, and I can’t explain that. I think people are having more fun around me and I have a more enjoyable work environment and I enjoy working with people more. It’s had a profound impact on me, and how I spend my working hours.”
The work is impacting my business, it’s brought back a creativity, and it’s brought back that desire to push forward, to invoke change, to not push the envelope, redesign the envelope and move forward. To look towards a brighter better future. And the results are there, I’m having more fun at work, I’m seeing more results, and I can’t explain that. I think people are having more fun around me and I have a more enjoyable work environment and I enjoy working with people more. It’s had a profound impact on me, and how I spend my working hours.”
– Rob, Senior Executive – Performance Program
“I think my biggest achievement that surprised me, that I wasn’t expecting, was this freedom in myself. I feel I came in for answers and resolving issues but I think the biggest achievement was just getting back to being myself again, trusting myself and feeling empowered, I think that emotional freedom was by far the most transformative and the most affecting to every aspect of my life. It transformed my relationships, my work, my colleague interaction, my patient interaction. I think that gave me the lease on life that I wanted, and the motivation to create exactly what I want, and become exactly who I want.”
– Rennata, Emotional Freedom Program
“I’m very fortunate to have had the opportunity to meet with Jean-Paul because I see things differently and I’m much happier and I have a better understanding as well of who I am and where I’m going…
ThroughConversation is a very unique program and I can’t even explain to you how unique it is until you actually go through it yourself, because you come out the other end a different person and that different person is much more enthusiastic and excited about life and I don’t know how it happens but it does, it works.”
ThroughConversation is a very unique program and I can’t even explain to you how unique it is until you actually go through it yourself, because you come out the other end a different person and that different person is much more enthusiastic and excited about life and I don’t know how it happens but it does, it works.”
– Jon, Retired CEO – Emotional Freedom Program
“Probably the most impressive part of this work would be the way that you… without realizing it, you become a different person. But you become a better person. You become the person who you know you really naturally are, rather than tied down with life. So you end up with a different perspective on the same things. Different reactions to the same things, just naturally. And that’s incredibly powerful. And incredibly positive. ”
-Andrew, Director of Business Development – Performance & Relationships
“My life before, I was pretty depressed and I had a lot of anxiety, I had probably a mental breakdown every day. I would say once a week at least. I just was not living life, I had no motivation to do anything, and my relationships were down falling.
The way I look at life is completely different now, and the way I live life is so different. I live on a more positive, happy vibe.”
– Emily, Student, 10 years of Anxiety and depression, gone in 10 sessions – Emotional Freedom Program
“I was put on anti-depressants at age twelve and I was on them for over twenty years, and I had also gotten to a point where I believed that I would be on medication for the rest of my life. Now, I got my freedom, I got my life back, I got my happiness… I got a chance at living my life in the best possible way. That’s what I wanted, I did not want to suffer anymore, and I’m not. And I know that I’m equipped with the skills for whatever comes my way in the future. That’s a pretty powerful place to sit in, in the confidence of knowing that whatever comes your way you can handle it. And you could even have fun doing it. I can’t begin to express how grateful I am to Jean-Paul for this opportunity.”
– Kristie, Actress – on medication since the age of 12, free of Anxiety and Depression in 2 months
“I was able to achieve a lot in a short period of time. I was able to engage in situations in life that I knew were the right things to do and proceed with them even if they were challenging and even if they were uncomfortable. I was able to engage in them head on and I would say in the past I was probably more afraid to engage in such situations but I feel like now I can, I feel like I can do a lot. I feel like I can do anything right now.”
– Danny, Senior Consultant
– Emotional Freedom Program – Genesis had been suffering from depression and anxiety due to emotional trauma that she lived through ten years prior. Nothing she tried ever worked – until she found ThroughConversation. In this video she opens up, and tells her story.
– Genisis, 10 years of suffering transformed into beauty in less than two months
“My life before ThroughConversation was very depressing. I was depressed, anxious, I tried multiple different versions of therapy, cognitive behavior therapy, Freudian therapy, it all didn’t work for me. I was on medication and I wanted something different. I achieved so much with Jean-Paul’s help. I stopped using medication in four sessions, I stopped feeling depressed, I got energy to live again and I feel comfortable with myself, with friends and social environments. All kinds of things I didn’t have before, I’m not anxious anymore, I feel more confident, and there’s just so much that I experienced through this program.” – Jim, Private Investor–
Jim had worked with over 20 different therapists and counsellors with no success.
– He achieved freedom from Anxiety and Depression in only 10 sessions
“My life before ThroughConversation was a very dark place. I was told that I was suffering from depression and anxiety and I was believing that about myself. I was in a place where I could not get out of bed and I was not feeling motivated to do anything… [Through the program] you start to see results pretty quickly. I started to notice little shifts in changes just in the first week after my first session. And then after that every week a knot gets untangled and you just keep getting more results as the weeks go by. You start to see the result in bad behavior that you used to do and then you kind of stop, you pretty much stop doing it and by the time you realize you’re not doing it you’re already too forward.”
– Erik, Actor – Emotional Freedom Program
“Before ThroughConversation I spent a lot of time ruminating, I spent a lot of time in my head. I wouldn’t say that would cause depression necessarily but it definitely took away energy where I could have applied that in other places. I reached out because I just wanted a change in my life. All together, something was definitely missing, I felt there was something spirit wise missing and just something emotionally missing. I was looking for a life where my mind would be peaceful, and it wasn’t constantly going, and that’s what I’m finding that it’s doing. I also have a life now that I wake up in the morning and it’s almost like the birds are constantly chirping, always like joy and happiness, constantly.”
– Simone, Entrepreneur – Emotional Freedom Program
“My experience with Through Conversation was more than what I expected. At first, it seemed too good to be true and I’m sure that is what most people think during consultation…wrong. Jean-Paul and Olga are professional, inviting and genuine from the beginning. My experience was nothing short of exceeding my expectations. So many seek help in many facets of their lives only to realize, the money they spent was wasted. I found the sessions exciting and fun and never felt like it was a chore going to see Jean-Paul, always a pleasure. Jean-Paul delivers what he promises. It is not a pain-staking approach in which you have to delve into your deepest darkest secrets/emotions, it is very light hearted. This program works, it delivers results. From the first session, things started to improve – confidence, obsessive negative thoughts, emotional stability, OCD, anxiety, etc. By the end of the program, most of those issues were non-existent or very minimal and 6 months’ post program, things keep getting better. Thank you Jean-Paul and Olga for a fantastic journey.”
– Carla – Emotional Freedom Program
“[Before I came here] I didn’t like myself, I was really stressed, life was stress, nothing worked out and whatever surrounding wasn’t good… It wasn’t even normal before but now it’s a lot better, I can see a smile on my face every single day and I can feel it… It’s really a miracle, it just works and again I really don’t know why and how… If you do the work, if you’re committed to yourself it will work.”
– Cindy – Emotional Freedom Program
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– Lorenzo had been suffering from anxiety and depression. His naturopathic doctor suggested the ThroughConversation program. After completing his 10 session program, Lorenzo got what he came for – peace of mind, and happiness.
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– I’m doing this program. I made that decision before I even got here! This is what she told us when she showed up in our office. We absolutely love working with that energy. Extreme anxiety and panic attacks, severe emotional and physical symptoms, 24 hours a day, for 2 straight weeks.
Turns out that pain and suffering was the best thing that ever happened to her. Now she gets to live life “Post ThroughConversation”.
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– Debbie, grand-mother
Debbie wanted to be happy,
and that’s exactly what she got.
Sue
“When I first came to ThroughConversation I was at an all time low. I had been struggling with depression for quite some time. In discussion with Jean-Paul he made me evaluate my core belief system and to approach my attitudes of what I could and could not do which resulted in a 180° turn around. In a very relaxed atmosphere Jean-Paul was able to enable me to look inside myself and to bring out coping skills that I knew were there but I had not been able to tap into before. Some of the assignments given to me by Jean-Paul challenged my belief in my own abilities. At the end my load was lightened and my heart was lifted. When I said yes to giving him an online photographic testimonial, I also courageously put my face forward to the world and admitted my past depression. This was very empowering. I had come a long way in a short time. Towards the end of my sessions with Jean-Paul I was diagnosed with incurable stage four metastatic breast cancer. I do believe that my program gave me the strength to withstand this horrible diagnosis and one year later I am still beating cancer with a very relaxed heart and a positive attitude. No matter what my health outcome, I have had an incredible year which has been very life affirming. During my sessions with Jean-Paul I found it very easy to talk to him and he was able to pinpoint my problems quite accurately and quickly. After my program, a veil was lifted from my eyes and I could see more clearly.
Eric
“The results are huge, they’re staggering, they’re life-changing.” I feel investing in my personal growth was a very good decision. TroughConversation has helped me have a much more enjoyable life. I have have had dramatic improvements in all aspects of my life. Even my physical health has improved. Stress was my main problem, and now I have the tools to let that stress go. I highly recommend!
-Susan
“We were outside of an Italian bistro on Capitol Hill, and I started to answer your question. After a while you kindly and politely stopped me and told me not to talk this way as it was traumatizing me all over again. I asked you how I could have answered your question without saying the upsetting things and you quickly told me. The interaction stuck with me. Not the content of your words but the quality of how you were in those few minutes. What was this quality? It was the state of lovingness. When you were upset, you didn’t pretend that you were not upset or say that “it’s ok”, which would have been dishonest. You didn’t raise your voice or express negative emotion. No judgment. No negative words or actions. Only a calm, clear, gentle response to me. That made a huge shift in my life. Thank you, Jean-Paul. Hugs.”
-Kevin
“Jean-Paul is a normal guy who knows how to be happy and who works to make others happy as well. He showed up on my path at the time where I dealt with immense darkness and talked me through my problems. He was uncanny in breaking down the mechanics of my problems, and did it in an organic way. He was patching up the holes in my soul… showed me where I was, and where I could be. He encouraged me in ways that rang true. If you open your heart and mind to Jean-Paul, he will definitely help you through any problem, not only that, he’ll help you realize that he did not do anything at all. He’ll show you that you did it all yourself, and that the power is in you.”
-Anita
“Jean-Paul is exceptionally gifted and what he does. His ThroughConversation system simply works!”
-Bruce
“The insight Jean-Paul had into how I was living my life was unbelievable. It was incredible how perceptive he was in a very short amount of time. ThroughConversation pinpointed the exact biggest road block in my life right now and taught me how to fix it. I create my own reality, I am aware of that, but you made me acutely aware of exactly what I am creating and how to change it for the better. To create my BEST life. Many thanks for all you have done for me, and again, it is so amazing you can help me change my life and patterns in such a short period of time. Thank you!”
-Phillip
“Jean-Paul has shared some wisdom with me and it has seriously changed my entire perspective on life. The impact on me personally has been surreal – the way I’ve been interacting with other people, my listening has improved… all the angst, all that sadness, worrying about my place in the grand scheme of things…gone. I no longer blame Seattle or the people who live here for my problems. Sounds crazy, but its not about platitudes or anything like that, just your own decisions and what you ultimately want to take responsibility for. There’s no catch, no religion, no abstract philosophy, just being more fulfilled through being a better person to others.”
-Leanne
“Jean-Paul helped me learn about different aspects of myself and how I can improve my life with the choices I make…how and what I communicate with others, how I was living out things I’ve been told my whole life instead of tapping into myself and acting out of love, and how I operated out of fear while completely being unaware of it. He brought all the tools I needed in an exceptional way and opened up my mind and broke open the box I had been living in. He did it with caution, care, motivation, patience and most of all, love. I am now aware of so much more in my life! I’m 35 lbs lighter in body, but so much larger in knowledge, freedom and love.”
-Jennifer
“I was able to get rid of a number of issues that troubled me for years. Insomnia, headaches, and an ongoing allergy. It was amazing!”
-Jon
“ThroughConversation is a very unique program, and I can’t even explain to you how unique it is until you actually go through it yourself. Because you come out on the other end as a different person. And that different person is much more enthusiastic and excited about life. And I don’t know how it happens but it does. It works. I am excited. I feel good. There has been a significant change in me. I am happier. I am enjoying life. And I am building great relationships and friendships. What more can I ask for?”
-Jim
“Working with Jean-Paul has been great experience for me. It’s probably the most valuable time that I spend ever in my life. It has created great things for me. I got my life back. Before I was battling depression and anxiety. I saw multiple therapists. And I was ok but it was not really living. And now I really have my life back, so thank you.” Before my program, it was dark and after doing numerous therapies, I was still on medication and would say I could barely cope with my anxiety and felt depressed and very unhappy and in no way was I able to enjoy life. It also impacted my career in having no energy to pursue any opportunities, and my physical health was terrible, no energy, would feel exhausted quickly. This put huge stresses on my relationships with family and friends, I could also feel their pain where they were waiting for me to have another breakdown and they needed to help me. After the program, I was totally off medication and depression and anxiety free. I feel totally comfortable with my mind and body now. When I have any setback at work, I don’t go into a dark and depressing space anymore. But can just deal with it and have the energy to look at other opportunities in which I could be successful. My communication is also much clearer and stronger and I have never felt this comfortable before with dealing with presentations or work related conflicts. My relationships with family and friends are much better in which I’m now totally myself and not be bother by what other people think or re(act). I finally have the feeling that I’m free, which is an amazing feeling since this is the first time I feel in control of my life. To sum it all up I now see and believe that we all are living in an amazing time. In which I value honesty, authenticity and kindness (which now I see gives me so much more appreciation and joy in life).
-Birgit
“I am very grateful to Jean-Paul for helping me get my life back. I could not have done it without him. I met Jean-Paul at a very difficult point in my life. After I moved to Canada I worked hard to build a successful life here. And on the surface it was perfect. I had a young family, three children, a beautiful home, and good social life. Both my husband and I had great careers. We had hobbies and often travelled back to Europe. I thought I was doing everything right, what more could I ask for? Yet, underneath that façade I felt empty. I was often sad and depressed and at times even found myself thinking suicidal thoughts. I could not sleep at night. I felt anxious every time I had to be social. The relationship with my husband was failing; we hardly talked and often argued. Our children were growing distanced. I felt lost, confused, and alone and I did not know what to do. I began to seek help and saw several counselors and therapists. But nothing seemed to work. I was still confused and did not understand what went wrong and how to fix it. Working with Jean-Paul was a completely different experience. When I first talked to him I felt right away that he had what I was looking for. He had a profound understanding of human behavior and the ability to see what was hiding behind the facades I put up. He also had an amazing ability to lovingly and caringly ask the right questions and deliver the right message at the right time so that I could suddenly see it for myself. It was then surprisingly easy to drop the patterns I did not like. I could not believe how quickly things began to fall in places once I started my program. I could connect with people easily and without anxiety. Things did not bother me anymore. In just a few weeks I felt – and looked – like a different person. Happy, alive, and open to new possibilities. Thank you Jean-Paul for helping me find myself again!”
-Justin
“It has been just over two years since my initial consultation with Through Conversation. I remember thinking that I was at the end of my rope, and I was seriously considering suicide as a viable option for an end to my troubles. My time working with Jean-Paul was a source of escape from my life, and also the birth of a new way of life. So much has improved since my work with him that its difficult to keep track. Lets focus on my reason for taking that first leap of faith. I was horribly sad with my life. I had, and still have, a woman in my life whom I love very much. I know she loves me too. At the time it was not obvious to me. I was too caught up in telling myself, and anyone who would listen, all the wretched stories from my troubled past. These terrible memories were so engrained into my outlook, that all I could see in the world was misery. Without Jean-Pauls council, I’m sure that joy would continue to evade me. From the first time I spoke with Jean-Paul, I found it easy to trust in his council. He did not pretend to know what my problems were, or to know their solutions. He only helped to guide my outlook to a more positive one, while simultaneously challenging me to be more empowered, more vulnerable, and more in love with the world around me. Whatever the goal, there will be work involved with achieving it. Do the work;achieve the goal. It’s that simple. Before finding Through Conversation, I spent many years, and countless hours studying psychology and philosophy. I thought that an intimate knowledge of these subjects would empower me to defeat my demons. I thought it had worked, but eventually, life caught up, and I found myself spiralling into old outlooks again. Jean-Paul helped me develop and unstoppable attitude towards life. Since finishing my program, I’ve become closer to my family. I’ve become a better friend, and more supportive lover. Best of all, I truly love myself, which was not true of me three years ago. I owe so much of my success and happiness to this program, and to myself from taking the time, and doing the work to make those changes for myself.”
-Cindy
“It’s really a miracle! It just works! I don’t know why and how; if you do the work, if you are committed to yourself – it will work!”
-William
“Working with Jean-Paul was great. Hives, thinning hair, bad skin, ulcers… the list goes on. I was seeing so many health professionals, and none of them could help. Jean-Paul worked with me, and was so patient. Two months later, i would just stand in front of the mirror in disbelief. My hives, gone. Ulcers, gone. My skin was so clear and my hair had stopped falling out – the results were incredible! I highly recommend working with Jean-Paul. My relationships, health, energy levels, everything just got better, and fast! Thank you so very much for taking the time to see me.”
-Danny
“Several years ago, I was faced with making a very important decision. I had two options, both involving implications that I was not comfortable with. I like to think I am pretty good at handling life’s challenges, but this time was different. In a follow up conversation after some previous sessions, I reached out to Jean Paul and caught him while he was out of country. He asked me a simple question, sent via a text message. After weeks of myself deliberating over my options, his question to me shook me in a manner I have never experienced. The clarity that he helped me achieve was unimaginable, and I knew what I had to do. I have since proceeded with my life with more purpose, more courage, and less fear. When I first met up with Jean Paul, he said I was “powerful”, and I didn’t understand what he meant. Now I get it.”
We have a very high success rate because we customize each program to the individual. All testimonials are from past clients. No actors were ever used. Results may vary.